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#34537
The Spy Who Loved Me was a great film though. I really liked that Moore Bond I will say.
I loved that movie so much as child and saw it several times back in 1977. Had such an impact on me I even eventually as an adult bought the Lotus Esprit car from it :thumbup:

Slightly cooler than that though was in the mid 1990s I got a VIP behind the scenes tour @ Pinewood saw from about 1ft away the legendary water tank (they would not let us enter for insurance reasons but allowed us to walk right up to it) they used for many of the Bonds including the Spy Who Loved me sub scenes before it got filled in & also got to chat for a few minutes to a couple of VFX technicians who had been @ Pinewood for over 40 years mainly doing matte paintings, bond title sequences & a few other bits of uncredited work. These old guys (they never gave us their names due to NDA!) even showed us their showreel on film via a little 16mm projector they had in their Pinewood workshop it had a few glimpses of unused Bond title sequences with the famous gun barrel :thumbup: and they showed us how they would do an incamera optical composite of their matte painting with the actual film via mirrors & lenses then film the composited image :D
#34541
The Spy Who Loved Me was a great film though. I really liked that Moore Bond I will say.
I loved that movie so much as child and saw it several times back in 1977. Had such an impact on me I even eventually as an adult bought the Lotus Esprit car from it :thumbup:

Slightly cooler than that though was in the mid 1990s I got a VIP behind the scenes tour @ Pinewood saw from about 1ft away the legendary water tank (they would not let us enter for insurance reasons but allowed us to walk right up to it) they used for many of the Bonds including the Spy Who Loved me sub scenes before it got filled in & also got to chat for a few minutes to a couple of VFX technicians who had been @ Pinewood for over 40 years mainly doing matte paintings, bond title sequences & a few other bits of uncredited work. These old guys (they never gave us their names due to NDA!) even showed us their showreel on film via a little 16mm projector they had in their Pinewood workshop it had a few glimpses of unused Bond title sequences with the famous gun barrel :thumbup: and they showed us how they would do an incamera optical composite of their matte painting with the actual film via mirrors & lenses then film the composited image :D
Wow. That must have been a heck of an experience!
#34543
Thanks Tyler, but i was joking:))
Well, now I'm going to have to break the news to my friend... he's alone in the world. Again.
Don't get me wrong , Lazenby is good in that movie, but the one and only Bond? :)
Well, of course he doesn't truly think Lazenby's the "one and only Bond". You can't make a dogmatic statement like that which is quantifiably incorrect, but yeah, Lazenby's my friend's #1 choice. :) It's Lazenby >>>>> Everyone Else
#34544
The Spy Who Loved Me was a great film though. I really liked that Moore Bond I will say.
I loved that movie so much as child and saw it several times back in 1977. Had such an impact on me I even eventually as an adult bought the Lotus Esprit car from it :thumbup:

Slightly cooler than that though was in the mid 1990s I got a VIP behind the scenes tour @ Pinewood saw from about 1ft away the legendary water tank (they would not let us enter for insurance reasons but allowed us to walk right up to it) they used for many of the Bonds including the Spy Who Loved me sub scenes before it got filled in & also got to chat for a few minutes to a couple of VFX technicians who had been @ Pinewood for over 40 years mainly doing matte paintings, bond title sequences & a few other bits of uncredited work. These old guys (they never gave us their names due to NDA!) even showed us their showreel on film via a little 16mm projector they had in their Pinewood workshop it had a few glimpses of unused Bond title sequences with the famous gun barrel :thumbup: and they showed us how they would do an incamera optical composite of their matte painting with the actual film via mirrors & lenses then film the composited image :D
Wow. That must have been a heck of an experience!
Sure was :wink: also got to see many other cool things like key original physical makeup FX creatures from some 1980s horror classics (the wonderful person who gave me the tour owned their own VFX company based @ Pinewood! so they could do whatever they wanted tour wise back in that era).

What was slightly sad to see were iconic set pieces tossed away with the garbage from Superman The Movie (statue of liberty giant headpiece just lying there rotting!) and a few key pieces from Batman the Movie 1989 like the giant church bell model :eek: No-one was interested in rescuing them they were just rotting away with the wind, rain & snow removing all the layers of paint & craftwork. Nowadays someone would sell those for big money but back in that era few people were interested in preservation :cry:
#34547
Sure was :wink: also got to see many other cool things like key original physical makeup FX creatures from some 1980s horror classics (the wonderful person who gave me the tour owned their own VFX company based @ Pinewood! so they could do whatever they wanted tour wise back in that era).
Was that the Effects Associates guys? I talked a bit via email with one of the supes there in the early 00s about their work on the Potter films(Hogwart's Castle, etc). They were out of Pinewood.
#34548
Sure was :wink: also got to see many other cool things like key original physical makeup FX creatures from some 1980s horror classics (the wonderful person who gave me the tour owned their own VFX company based @ Pinewood! so they could do whatever they wanted tour wise back in that era).
Was that the Effects Associates guys? I talked a bit via email with one of the supes there in the early 00s about their work on the Potter films(Hogwart's Castle, etc). They were out of Pinewood.
Sorry nope do not think so did not get their names they were very old even back in the 1990s been there about 40 years. Very nice people took the time to show us exactly what they did via mirrors & compositing to achieve in camera matte & travelling matte magic composites!
#34563
Sitting back smoking a stogie, drinking a few bourbons(neat) and watching Rear Window with the missus. Sublime. This movie is so damn good.

edit: have to get my bourbonology straight.
For my Hitchcock fix I preferred: Marnie, Vertigo, North By Northwest & The Birds. I would even take Frenzy over Rear Window :thumbup:
#34564
For me, Hitch has always been about NOTORIOUS and THE BIRDS and REBECCA, though that expanded this century to include VERTIGO and MARNIE and sometimes PSYCHO. I used to avoid VERTIGO on the basis of that old William Goldman line that no movie with Kim Novak could be the greatest anything, but once I saw it a few years back, I was really blown away.

EDIT ADDON:
I know it is heresy, but NbNW has never worked for me at all, outside of the theme music. I think it was because I saw Bond movies first and basically like the way Terence Young treats spy things a lot better, and am not big on the 'wrong man' angle in movies.
#34568
For me, Hitch has always been about NOTORIOUS and THE BIRDS and REBECCA, though that expanded this century to include VERTIGO and MARNIE and sometimes PSYCHO. I used to avoid VERTIGO on the basis of that old William Goldman line that no movie with Kim Novak could be the greatest anything, but once I saw it a few years back, I was really blown away.

EDIT ADDON:
I know it is heresy, but NbNW has never worked for me at all, outside of the theme music. I think it was because I saw Bond movies first and basically like the way Terence Young treats spy things a lot better, and am not big on the 'wrong man' angle in movies.
Yeah Vertigo is my favorite of his films. But RW, Notorious, To Catch a Thief and North By Northwest are all very good.

So vfx fan, is it better than Aquaman, not as good? How does it compare? I heard the tone is way lighter than the previous DCU.
#34569
I'm wondering if Doug Ferris and John Grant were the guys you met. There's a documentary about them partway down the page on this neat little effects website. http://www.zen171398.zen.co.uk/index.html





Sure was :wink: also got to see many other cool things like key original physical makeup FX creatures from some 1980s horror classics (the wonderful person who gave me the tour owned their own VFX company based @ Pinewood! so they could do whatever they wanted tour wise back in that era).
Was that the Effects Associates guys? I talked a bit via email with one of the supes there in the early 00s about their work on the Potter films(Hogwart's Castle, etc). They were out of Pinewood.
Sorry nope do not think so did not get their names they were very old even back in the 1990s been there about 40 years. Very nice people took the time to show us exactly what they did via mirrors & compositing to achieve in camera matte & travelling matte magic composites!
#34571
I'm wondering if Doug Ferris and John Grant were the guys you met. There's a documentary about them partway down the page on this neat little effects website. http://www.zen171398.zen.co.uk/index.html


Was that the Effects Associates guys? I talked a bit via email with one of the supes there in the early 00s about their work on the Potter films(Hogwart's Castle, etc). They were out of Pinewood.
Sorry nope do not think so did not get their names they were very old even back in the 1990s been there about 40 years. Very nice people took the time to show us exactly what they did via mirrors & compositing to achieve in camera matte & travelling matte magic composites!
Nice find & could well be as they mentioned they had done uncredited work on some bond films & showed us a few in-camera composites they had rigged up to show prospective clients on the lot. These guys had been based @ Pinewood all the time though so not 100% sure it was them. It was one of those magical moments where you literally see behind the onscreen magic happening in front of your very eyes :D
#34573
Yeah, I've read a lot about Culley in odd spots down through the years. Production designer Syd Cain's bio has pictures of him doing matte painting for ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE, and I guess he painted an articulated frame by frame matte for when the fake volcano 'opens' in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE (now that I remember this, I have an excuse to rewatch on blu-ray!)

Yeah, you got lucky on that visit, kudos!

I've been rewatching a lot of 60 70s stuff and there is some great matte work from Whitlock in so many things. Last couple of months has been blu-ray heaven - saw EARTHQUAKE and HINDENBURG and last night COLOSSUS THE FORBIN PROJECT, a fave that I finally got on a good deal at 2ndSpin for less than 11 bucks. Though a part of me wishes Braeden had been making ON HER MAJESTY'S instead of FORBIN - I bet he'd have stayed in the role for 20 years or more, and he'd have looked good and credible for the whole run!
#34574

So vfx fan, is it better than Aquaman, not as good? How does it compare? I heard the tone is way lighter than the previous DCU.
That's a tough call, because I also loved Aquaman. I think both Aquaman and Shazam! were both better than any MCU movies in at least the last two years...but I think I'm gonna go with Shazam! The story was just more inventive and the pacing was far more refined; there were parts in Aquaman that I thought would've worked better in a sequel (mainly the Black Manta subplot).

While I found myself being more dazzled by Aquaman's visuals and scope, I found myself smiling and laughing more in Shazam! While the movie was light-hearted, it wasn't afraid to get dark in a way that was common in an '80s kids movie. Though much like the other DC movies, the CG creature designs (where Aquaman definitely had the edge) seemed a bit uninspired and bland.

But yeah, I think the extra points go to Shazam!
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