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Re: 2019 Oscars - 2018 VFX Films

PostPosted:Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:41 pm
by TylerMirage
Firstly, congrats to the teams behind the bake-off 10!
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But I'm sorry, Black Panther beating out Bumblebee, A Quiet Place, Fallout or heck, even Rampage which didn't even make it into the bake-off 20 is a friggin' joke. :lol: Like, did...did the Academy even watch the movie? Spider-Man 3 called from 2007, they want their Raggedy-Ann doll final battle digital doubles back. 1996 called, they want their digital rhinos back. 2005 called, they want their King Kong green-screens back.

A Quiet Place and even just based on the trailer for Bee Movie, those two movies' VFX look straight-up tangible compared to the unfortunately cartoonish CG world of BP. I admit that it's a bit much to say this, but I was never truly convinced by any of Black Panther's work outside of Klaue's robotic arm. Meanwhile Fallout's blending of techniques , A Quiet Place's supporting VFX work and Bee Movie's combination of CG robots in real environments are loads more realistic.

EDIT: I'm a dope who can't read. I thought Solo was nixed from the list of 20, but I'm glad to see it's still on there.

Sure, you can argue that those movies^ don't "offer anything new", which seems to be a recent criterion for the Academy except when they choose to disregard it :roll: , but honestly, Black Panther didn't offer anything new FX-wise either. Suits? Ships? Cities? Jungles? Trains?

If I had to guess which five will make it out alive, I'd say:

-Avengers
-First Man
-Ready Player One
-Solo
-Marwen
Hey, I keep reading about how good that SHINING part is in RP1. The movie is streaming now, but I have no interest in watching the whole thing, based on the visuals from the trailer, so can anybody tell me roughly at what point in the movie that sequence happens? I'd prefer to just jump to that and watch it -- if it is that good, maybe I'll back up and watch the whole thing.
Can't pop it into my Blu-Ray player at the moment to verify exactly, but in the movie's 2 hour 20 minute runtime, scrub between 1 hour 10 min and 1 hour 45 min. I know that's still a hefty range, but it'll limit it. If you still see the DeLorean, you're too early. If you see MechaGodzilla, you've gone too far.

Re: 2019 Oscars - 2018 VFX Films

PostPosted:Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:06 am
by vfx fan
I saw AQUAMAN and BUMBLEBEE last night, both stunning as movies and fx showpieces, particularly AQUAMAN. The fact it's not in the bake-off is sacrilegious. It is one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen, and probably the second best superhero movie of the year after INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE. Jeff White was the lead ILM supe, and the other main house was Scanline, led by Bryan Hirota. MPC, Weta, and I think Digital Domain amongst a few others had a hand in it, too.

Re: 2019 Oscars - 2018 VFX Films

PostPosted:Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:11 am
by TylerMirage
I saw AQUAMAN and BUMBLEBEE last night, both stunning as movies and fx showpieces, particularly AQUAMAN. The fact it's not in the bake-off is sacrilegious. It is one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen, and probably the second best superhero movie of the year after INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE. Jeff White was the lead ILM supe, and the other main house was Scanline, led by Bryan Hirota. MPC, Weta, and I think Digital Domain amongst a few others had a hand in it, too.
Agreed. Mostly. Aquaman is better looking, but Bumblebee is more photorealistic. I mean, apples and oranges, but still. My reaction to the VFX during Aquaman was "Wow, these are some beautiful looking and dynamically choreographed shots", while my reaction to Bumblebee's VFX were "I've never seen something look so photoreal and tangible in such a bland, uninteresting shot".

It's just a real head-scratchet as to why Black Panther made the cut but neither of these two dig. :-?

Re: 2019 Oscars - 2018 VFX Films

PostPosted:Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:24 pm
by ShaneP
I saw AQUAMAN and BUMBLEBEE last night, both stunning as movies and fx showpieces, particularly AQUAMAN. The fact it's not in the bake-off is sacrilegious. It is one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen, and probably the second best superhero movie of the year after INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE. Jeff White was the lead ILM supe, and the other main house was Scanline, led by Bryan Hirota. MPC, Weta, and I think Digital Domain amongst a few others had a hand in it, too.
Agreed. Mostly. Aquaman is better looking, but Bumblebee is more photorealistic. I mean, apples and oranges, but still. My reaction to the VFX during Aquaman was "Wow, these are some beautiful looking and dynamically choreographed shots", while my reaction to Bumblebee's VFX were "I've never seen something look so photoreal and tangible in such a bland, uninteresting shot".

It's just a real head-scratchet as to why Black Panther made the cut but neither of these two dig. :-?

It's not a head scratcher. Black Panther is the latest movie Hollywood can rally around, forget the absolutely shiit character modeling in the final fight. There was literally nothing in this movie that stood out to me as Oscar-worthy. ILM has done CG cities before....and better. In fact, Black Panther's appearance in Captain America: Civil War was more dramatic and essential to that film.

Re: 2019 Oscars - 2018 VFX Films

PostPosted:Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:47 pm
by ShaneP
Here is a great film by film breakdown of the vfx presentations for the Academy's bake-off process:

https://www.nextbestpicture.com/latest/ ... s-bake-off

Very interesting how important these presentations seem to be in the entire nominating process of who gets picked and doesn't. 8)

Re: 2019 Oscars - 2018 VFX Films

PostPosted:Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:05 pm
by TylerMirage
Given that [Black Panther]’s CGI has been received more divisively than other blockbusters on the list...
...I didn’t hear a single voter mention the film afterward...
Ooh, wow, cool! Digital jungles and waterfalls and mediocre green-screens! We'll acknowledge that it's probably the weakest entry in the list, but that's okay because MARVEL!

Re: 2019 Oscars - 2018 VFX Films

PostPosted:Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:56 pm
by ShaneP
Did you pick up that other bit though about some tension between Marvel and academy voters? It is interesting because they have yet to win a vfx Oscar after several noms.

Re: 2019 Oscars - 2018 VFX Films

PostPosted:Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:47 pm
by vfx fan
Good news: BLACK PANTHER didn't get a single VES Award nomination. INFINITY WAR got the most, followed by READY PLAYER ONE, I think, but I didn't finish counting.

Nominees for Best VFX in FX Driven Film:
AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR
CHRISTOPHER ROBIN
READY PLAYER ONE
SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY
WELCOME TO MARWEN

Best Supporting VFX
12 STRONG
BIRD BOX
BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
FIRST MAN
OUTLAW KING