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B Movie - Now Pollinating Home Media

PostPosted:Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:06 am
by TylerMirage
The first trailer for Travis Knight's Bee Movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAIX12F6958

Some good ol' ILM-ness here.

And the teaser poster:

https://teaser-trailer.com/bumblebee-movie-poster/

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:56 pm
by ShaneP
This is likely as close as we will get to a G1 look for the Autobots and Deceptions. That also looked like Starscream transforming mid-air as well.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:11 pm
by TylerMirage
This is likely as close as we will get to a G1 look for the Autobots and Deceptions. That also looked like Starscream transforming mid-air as well.


Yep, that is definitely Starscream. :cheers:

EDIT: Like, months later, I have egg on my face. Apparently it's Blitzwing.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:14 pm
by ShaneP
Great new trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcwmDAYt22k

Nice! 8)

I am pulling for Travis Knight to pull off a really great Transformers film.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:00 pm
by Kmart
Talked to Knight about this last week, everybody seems to think this has really got heart, from steadicam operator to vfx supe.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:32 pm
by ShaneP
And one last trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcwmDAYt22k

Love the G1 vibe from the designs! These look like the toy line and original comic characters. Finally!

I will see this.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:13 pm
by TylerMirage
It's nice that we'll get a little nod to the G1 roots with the (no doubt brief) Cybertron flashbacks, but also the fact that the 'modern day' Earth designs still jive with the previously established Baysthetic. Just kind of sucks that said G1 Cybertron designs lack any sort of flare or pizazz beyond "hey everyone it's just like the original series". Like, you can spice it up there, Travis. There's more to Transformers than G1, so put your own stamp on it.

VFX-wise, it's great to see that even trailer footage looks spectacular. Every time I watch the clips I marvel at how tangible Bumblebee looks. And it'll only get more polished in the coming month. :D

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:18 pm
by ShaneP
Yeah, the designs evoke more of a G1 feeling than any straight up rip right out of the comics. But, this is the closest it has been to this point. Hopefully now they have a story to match and it isn't just all spectacle. All of the films have had very solid vfx work but it has been such an overabundance that it sort of takes away the time needed to really discern the real world and the CG work. This film seems to have a bit of a holding off on the overkill aspect.
I certainly want this to be the film that can bring in all the Bay-Transformer film fans and the old G1 geezers like me. :lol:

And Bumblebee looks "earthy" in this if that makes any sense. As you said, he looks tangible. VFX are so good now. Yikes.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:44 pm
by TylerMirage
Yeah, the designs evoke more of a G1 feeling than any straight up rip right out of the comics. But, this is the closest it has been to this point.
My problem is that Knight went full G1 (or, let's say, 95%) for the Cybertron flashback designs instead of doing what would be logical and designing a blend of G1 and the previously established Bay aesthetic. Such as this:

http://news.tfw2005.com/wp-content/uplo ... imus-1.jpg

Like, ignoring the semantics of "it's not Bay's movie any more he's just a producer blah blah blah", it's still his series of films. ie, no different than the fact that Shane Black was Iron Man 3's director while Favreau was 1 & 2. Or that the Thor movies each had different directors. It's still the same series of continuity. If Captain America in the second Cap movie showed up looking like this:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... 886352436/

, it'd be really jarring, because it just goes against the style and tone of the visuals of the previous movie. That stage Cap outfit is a 1:1 translation of his standard, classic comic book design. There's no elements of the battle-ready, tactical MCU Cap costume, and there's virtually no elements of Bay's designs in the Travis Knight G1 designs. I'm not saying that Optimus needs to have a flame paint job on Cybertron, but he went from "Michael Bay's Earth Optimus Prime" to "Here, just have solid chunky G1 Optimus". There was no middle-ground where there should've been. Blend Bay and G1 together, this is the perfect opportunity to do so. Give him his Bay-Earth mode knee pads, or his big gray toed feet or move the wheels back to his thighs or something. I'd go into more detail, but it'd get really nerdy. :lol:

Like I said, I'm glad that the Earth designs for Blitzwing, Shatter and Dropkick still very strongly evoke Bay's complex alien designs. So I'll let it slide that for the Cybertron scenes they went straight to G1.
Hopefully now they have a story to match and it isn't just all spectacle. All of the films have had very solid vfx work but it has been such an overabundance that it sort of takes away the time needed to really discern the real world and the CG work. This film seems to have a bit of a holding off on the overkill aspect.
I certainly want this to be the film that can bring in all the Bay-Transformer film fans and the old G1 geezers like me. :lol:
Completely agree that the larger scale unfortunately takes away from the VFX work. I mean, there's always those scenes where nothing's exploding and the robots are standing around and talking, which lets you appreciate the amazing VFX work, but then the last 45 minutes of each movie is just a bombardment on your senses.

I have no doubt that this movie will be a smaller scale, more intimate movie. No world-ending plot, no planet-destroying device, not an army of robots against another army of robots. Just a handful of Decepticons chasing after Bumblebee. Fingers crossed that this means some nice, long takes and steady camera work to really bask in the CG. :thumbup:
And Bumblebee looks "earthy" in this if that makes any sense. As you said, he looks tangible. VFX are so good now. Yikes.
It's surprising (and yet also not suprising) just how far the robots' CG work has come in 11 years. (Also, 11 years?!?) All of the TF movies still hold up very well, with some sequences better than others, but Bumblebee looks like it blows it all out of the water in terms of photorealism. And what I'm really looking forward to is, because of the smaller scale, going back to the first movie's technique of "everything is real except for the robots" (with certain exceptions, yeah). And that's to be said about pretty much ALL movies these days. Go back to Iron Man 1 and how you had a digital Iron Man suit in a completely practical, real environment. Now it's a CG Iron Man in a CG environment flying away from a CG explosion while fighting a CG villain. And the Transformers movies went the same route, too. Obviously these movies' FX work is all driven by the plot, so if Tony's on an alien planet fighting Thanos, you can't do much of that practically, just like if Cybertron is crashing into Earth's atmosphere and the Transformers are fighting at 25,000 feet. Can't do much of that without extensive CGI. So with Bumblebee, I'm looking forward to a digital Bumblebee running through a REAL forest and REAL jeeps chasing him and REAL puffs of smokes and bullet hits on the trees. Jeez, I'm rambling and I'm starting to sound like those "do everything for real" people that I complain about. :lol: TL;DR I can't wait to see the great combination of practical work and digital work.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:39 pm
by ShaneP
Yes, the film seems to be going back to the first Transformers film. It is no accident that was the one TF film to be nominated for a Best VFX award.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:16 pm
by TylerMirage
Yes, the film seems to be going back to the first Transformers film. It is no accident that was the one TF film to be nominated for a Best VFX award.
Dark of the Moon was also nominated for the 2011 Oscars.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:31 pm
by TylerMirage
A brief EPK snippet that includes some looks at ILM's Bumblebee and Optimus CG model turnmodels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:15 pm
by ShaneP
A brief EPK snippet that includes some looks at ILM's Bumblebee and Optimus CG model turnmodels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk
Nice!

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:36 pm
by ShaneP
First review is in and it's a rave:

https://www.thewrap.com/bumblebee-film- ... steinfeld/

A snippet:
“Bumblebee” plays like a loving throwback, with genuine and funny performances, and direction that finally makes the Transformers characters feel real. The overwhelming and distracting detail from the previous films has been stripped away, leaving Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, and the villains Shatter (Angela Bassett) and Dropkick (Justin Theroux) with an aesthetically pleasing design that highlights the performance of the characters."

Re: The 'Bee Movie - First Trailer

PostPosted:Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:13 pm
by ShaneP
Second good review:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/bumblebee-will- ... 1830985099

Raves about the vfx work too.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - Now Buzzing in Theatres

PostPosted:Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:20 am
by TylerMirage
So, Bumblebee is a competently made movie without Bay in the director's chair, so I guess that means it deserves a 94% on Rotten Tomatoes, apparently. :e_confused:

It’s a "good" movie with enjoyable characters, a cool soundtrack and a great focus on the Transformers that is also mediocrely shot, aesthetically bland, blatantly contradicts everything in the previous movies while also claiming to not be a reboot but is totally a reboot and doesn’t offer anything new to the franchise besides excessive pandering to the G1 crowd/80s kids. Aside from phenomenal visual effects, it just screams "straight-to-DVD sequel", much in the same way that Pacific Rim: Uprising did.

Sure, the Cybertron scene was cool (all three minutes of it spread out across the first act), but at that point, it just becomes a video game. Zero sense of scale or size for the characters. If you didn't go into the movie with the previous movies' knowledge of these being 30 foot tall, 10 ton robots, you'd have no idea that they were anything other than human-sized mechs slapping each other around. ILM's best work was when they had real world, live-action plates and reference surrounding their work. I stress again, absolutely stunning robot work, especially with close-ups. The long takes, steady camera and not-headache-inducing editing not only lets ILM's work shine, but also highlights just how visually basic this movie was.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - Now Buzzing in Theatres

PostPosted:Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:20 pm
by ShaneP
I think every studio trying to emulate Marvel's connected universe leads to needless artistic constraints that end up hurting movies.

Would it really hurt if Paramount just said this is a reboot and did it full throttle? This hedging and trying to have it both ways just causes confusion.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - Now Buzzing in Theatres

PostPosted:Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:58 pm
by TylerMirage
I think every studio trying to emulate Marvel's connected universe leads to needless artistic constraints that end up hurting movies.

Would it really hurt if Paramount just said this is a reboot and did it full throttle? This hedging and trying to have it both ways just causes confusion.
I was so looking forward to what Travis would treat us to visually, given his experience with LAIKA, but yeah, instead we got some bland, basic DVD sequel. :(

And that's the thing. If Paramount said "The Michael Bay Transformers movies are done" and this Bumblebee movie came out in the year 2025, I'd be raving about it (more or less). But the fact that it doesn't seem to know whether it's a reboot or not, coupled with its extremely close release to the previous Bay-entry in the franchise means that it's just a confusing mess of WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU GUYS DOING? I mean, even Sony waited five years after Spider-Man 3 before releasing Amazing Spider-Man. Four years between Punishers, eight years between Batman movies, seven years between Superman, and those were all very clearly separate rebooted entities. But 17 months between The Last Knight and Bumblebee, while also including continuity references and continuity screw-ups? That's not how you do a reboot OR a prequel in the same universe. Just go full reboot in a few years instead. There's so much visual potential to this franchise that a full reboot (after a period of cool down) would've been the best bet.

Re: The 'Bee Movie - Now Buzzing in Theatres

PostPosted:Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:42 pm
by ShaneP
LOL. Tyler, did you change the thread title? Love it!

Here is an article about ILM's work:

https://www.cartoonbrew.com/feature-fil ... 68309.html

And an interview with Travis Knight, onetime rapper, now director:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/movi ... night.html

Re: The 'Bee Movie - Now Buzzing in Theatres

PostPosted:Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:56 pm
by TylerMirage
LOL. Tyler, did you change the thread title? Love it!
Ha ha, totally forgot that I did, yeah.
And an interview with Travis Knight, onetime rapper, now director:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/movi ... night.html
"You have reached your limit of free articles. Subscribe to view." Jog on, New York Times...

I still need to watch Travis' rap video. I saw a thumbnail for it. :lol: