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By ShaneP
#32848
Urban has nailed McCoy from the beginning. He was a great recast. The problem with JJ Trek's films were not the cast. That was great. It was some of the story issues, especially Trek Into Darkness.

And can I dare say this is how you do a futuristic city? You do plate photography and then enhance it with CG. ILM's stuff in Into Darkness at the end with Spock and Khan fighting was terrific and DNeg's work looks every bit as good.

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By ShaneP
#32851
:thumbup:

I love the opening!

" Trek's history with vfx has been both acclaimed and troubled…sometimes for the very same project." :lol:

But well done. Not really any spoilers yet there are some nuggets of info there about how Chiang and DNeg approached it. Interesting they used and refurbished ILM's Enterprise CG asset but I guess that's the point now is you build it once and then can reuse it.
By Kmart
#32854
Sorry I didn't get to Atomic Fiction or to some in-depth level on DNeg, but time really did run out, which is why I had to leave the long 'history of trek vfx' lead-in, which was kind of a slug I left in against the possibility of not getting supplemental interviews.

These are the other pieces (not sure if/when they will go online ... July ICG has my FEAR THE WALKING DEAD as the cover story, and usually that is the only production article appearing on the web in a given month.)

ICG magazine July - cinematography article on BEYOND, including aerial work for crash scene
ICG magazine July - separate Justin Lin interview (about 2/3 of that is about BEYOND)
ICG magazine August - concept artist / vfx art director Sean Hargreaves interview (about 1/3 to 1/2 about BEYOND)
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Kmart wrote:Sorry I didn't get to Atomic Fiction or to some in-depth level on DNeg, but time really did run out, which is why I had to leave the long 'history of trek vfx' lead-in, which was kind of a slug I left in against the possibility of not getting supplemental interviews.

These are the other pieces (not sure if/when they will go online ... July ICG has my FEAR THE WALKING DEAD as the cover story, and usually that is the only production article appearing on the web in a given month.)

ICG magazine July - cinematography article on BEYOND, including aerial work for crash scene
ICG magazine July - separate Justin Lin interview (about 2/3 of that is about BEYOND)
ICG magazine August - concept artist / vfx art director Sean Hargreaves interview (about 1/3 to 1/2 about BEYOND)
Ok thanks for the update. Kevin you should write a book on the first six TOS movies VFX I'm sure there is plenty of material to write about :wink:
By Kmart
#32860
If I did, it would probably have to be without any images (like RETURN TO TOMORROW), but equally important, it would certainly be missing any&all input from ILM, which to be honest, is enough to defeat the whole idea right out of the gate.

Except for those aspects, it is one helluva good idea!
By Kmart
#32873
As soon as Par sends me a replacement disk for the defective WRATH OF KHAN - one that includes the movie money for BEYOND - I'll see it. Really do have expectations to be entertained this time, probably all due to Jung, Lin and Pegg, and absence of 'another.'

The fourth trailer, btw, has got a much longer version of the closeup of the E's torp launcher as it leaves that station (the starship porn shot), it is going to look great on a big screen. And Dneg really must have gotten the textures and renders just right, because there is also a new shot going practically into the hull during the battle that seems very 'physical.'
#32876
Saw it very late last night :thumbup:

VFX are tremendous the Enterprise never looked better in the early scenes before her tragic destruction :eek: Yorktown starbase VFX are seamless & Oscar worthy the entire movie has very solid VFX.

I did not care much for STID & thankfully Beyond is way better & a bigger budget TOS episode from the 1960's era in tone & depth. You can see its lower budget than STID but that means they have to get a little more creative with the story & characters instead of throwing mindless/pointless action sequences into the mix.

If you liked the 2009 movie then this is not quite as good due to a much lower budget forcing certain static plot points but overall an enjoyable 2 hours which flew by so fast due to pacing & genuine interest in the movie (end credits are over very fast around 3 min's after the tributes to Nimoy/Yelchin).

So 3 mins fancy end credits with nebula VFX for the main cast/crew then 3 mins of fast moving walls of text for the rest leaving around 1 hour 53 mins of actual movie as the main production company credits run 1 min as well!

Below is something worth mentioning about the final few seconds of the movie but heavy spoilerish although not a major surprise plot wise!

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Only thing I did not think was done properly was at the every end of the movie they get a brand new Enterprise which looks identical to the previous ship except for the NCC-1701-A. You get to see her being constructed in a Yorktown spaceport in time lapse fashion which was way too fast as it also included at least 2 x 360 degree virtual camera swoops over her but it all went by so fast & was over so quickly then it seamlessly cuts into the warp drive FX which again were paced far too quickly the whole ending sequence took perhaps 20-30 seconds it should have been slowed right down to perhaps 90 seconds as it looked a little ridiculous & felt like they just wanted to end the movie & cut to the fancy nebula end credits. The music was unmemorable & very rushed as well either the theatre was not very well setup or it was mixed too low as dialog was always clear but music was very bland & sonic wallpaper more than soaring orchestra!
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By Jedi
#32877
Saw it last night as well, and loved every moment! Well paced, shot, and scored. The cast handles themselves quite well, and the script is fun in the right places, and ties into the Enterprise TV series in more ways than the marketing would let you know. The tribute (in story, not in the credits) to Nemoy/Spock Prime is very well done, and had my girlfriend bawling (I was close, but must maintain my man cred. Yeah, that's it...).

VFX work is top notch all around, and only three shops by my count: DNeg, Atomic Fiction, and Kelvin Optical.
#32882
Grosses have come in real low only $89m opening weekend maybe the last ST movie for several years sadly despite being one of the better attempts.

I will have to see it in 3D Imax next weekend before its gone for good :cry:
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By ShaneP
#32885
Just got back. This film will likely end up in the middle of NuTrek for me. Not as good as 09 but much better than STID overall.

The vfx were great.

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A question though: why did Elba's character go back to human when he returns to the Yorktown? This was never explained as far as I could see.


So I give it a 7/10. A solid entry in the series that puts the NuTrek back on course after the STID misstep.
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ShaneP wrote:Just got back. This film will likely end up in the middle of NuTrek for me. Not as good as 09 but much better than STID overall.

The vfx were great.

Spoiler: show
A question though: why did Elba's character go back to human when he returns to the Yorktown? This was never explained as far as I could see.


So I give it a 7/10. A solid entry in the series that puts the NuTrek back on course after the STID misstep.
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Was not explained why but alluded to Krall needed to drain people to maintain his appearance as per earlier in the movie where he tried to suck the life of out Sulu Dykstra Lifeforce style!
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By ShaneP
#32889
Judging by the films grosses, I would say it better come this weekend Kmart. ;)

It is a fun adventure and was worth seeing on the big screen. And I did like the small touches like
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the USS Franklin and the Trek V era OS crew photograph
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