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Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:18 pm
by TylerMirage
*desire to listen to audio commentaries intensifies*

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:59 pm
by TylerMirage
From David Leitch (stunty, John Wick, Atomic Blonde, Deadpool 2) comes the next entry in the Fast & Furious franchise: Hobbs & Shaw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45-5Ajm ... gs=pl%2Cwn

Some pretty rough looking CGI, but superb car stunts and practical action beats that's sure to be a fun romp in the theatres.

Plus, they fight a literal cyborg supervillain. This movie will be the greatest thing to come out of 2019.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:24 pm
by vfx fan
I downloaded and watched THE HOUSE THAT JACK BUILT starring Matt Dillon. It was excellent, and I'm not a huge Lars von Trier fan, either.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:56 pm
by ShaneP
World War Z 2 has officially been put in turnaround at Paramount.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:59 pm
by Kmart
With all this money Par is saving not doing trek 4 and wwz2, they should be able to afford those two Cruise MIs and TOP GUN 2 ... and still have enough left over to buy him any planet he has his eye on.

I seriously haven't ever gotten that guy's appeal. At all. He's fine playing dicks (COLOR OF MONEY, TAPS, EYES WIDE SHUT), but I can't bring myself to ever root for the guy.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:03 am
by ShaneP
With all this money Par is saving not doing trek 4 and wwz2, they should be able to afford those two Cruise MIs and TOP GUN 2 ... and still have enough left over to buy him any planet he has his eye on.

I seriously haven't ever gotten that guy's appeal. At all. He's fine playing dicks (COLOR OF MONEY, TAPS, EYES WIDE SHUT), but I can't bring myself to ever root for the guy.
:lol: Yeah, we've talked about his little shouting part he has in every movie. It is akin to a Cruise Wilhelm scream in every film. He just shouts dialogue out of nowhere. Annoying. Every.single.film. Did it ridiculously in Jerry McGuire. Did it in The Last Samurai. All the MIs. I like the latest MIs but that is because they finally have more of a team concept than the Cruise-alone like MI2. And Pegg is good in them.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:08 am
by Kmart
I still haven't even seen the last MI (or MAGUIRE, or SAMURAI.) That's the one where he is hanging on the plane? Or am I two behind? (I saw the Dubai one.)

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:16 am
by TylerMirage
I still haven't even seen the last MI (or MAGUIRE, or SAMURAI.) That's the one where he is hanging on the plane? Or am I two behind? (I saw the Dubai one.)
MI 4 - Dubai
MI 5 - Hanging off of a plane
MI 6 - Hanging from a helicopter and he teams up with Superman

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:43 am
by Kmart
Wow, okay then I guess I've only seen 1, 2, & 4 -- 1 was the only in the batch I genuinely like, and I rewatch it every couple of years. I tried with MI 3 and gave up early on. Only later realized it was JJ, who has a really bad track record with me - the only movie of his I've ever seen and enjoyed was FORCE AWAKENS (probably owing to limited expectations, now that I think about it.)

Man, as a kid I would see every spy movie, no matter how bad it was. Actually I still watch bad spy movies (took out one of my Matt Helm dvds last week), but The Tom Cruise Show just seems to override that lifelong compulsion. Between that and my extreme (add as many exclamation points as possible to that) disappointment with Daniel Craig's seeming lifelong gig ruining James Bond as badly as Roger Moore, this century has not been kind to secret agents at all for me.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:57 pm
by TylerMirage
my extreme (add as many exclamation points as possible to that) disappointment with Daniel Craig's seeming lifelong gig ruining James Bond
Yeah, buddy! :cheers:
as badly as Roger Moore
WHAT?!?! :evil:

Your mileage may vary, but if you're into spy movies, check out the two Kingsman movies, the 2015 Man from UNCLE and Paul Feig's comedy Spy.

2015 had FIVE spy movies: Spectre, Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation, Kingsman: The Secret Service, Spy and The Man from UNCLE. The irony? The best "James Bond movie" wasn't even a James Bond movie that year. :lol:

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:20 pm
by aslan
I'm afraid my spy stuff needs to be quieter and set in the last century! Can't stand all this technological do-da solutions. Good old fashioned graft and outwitting.

Nothing beats the old Alec Guinness Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, and Smileys People.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:33 pm
by ShaneP
my extreme (add as many exclamation points as possible to that) disappointment with Daniel Craig's seeming lifelong gig ruining James Bond
Yeah, buddy! :cheers:
as badly as Roger Moore
WHAT?!?! :evil:
I defy you Tyler Mirage to name ONE Roger Moore Bond that was as good as any of the Connery's, even that one-not James Bond that was really a James Bond-Never Say Never Again.

Ginger Bond's dont compare. It's sad but true. Moore is better than Craig though. I will say that. The Craig Bonds seemed intent on following the The Bourne Identity formula rather than the superior Connery Bonds. I enjoy the Craig Bonds as their own thing but they all have weak, non-memorable, villains and Craig always looks like he just walked out of an MMA fight ring after getting his ass whooped by Ken Shamrock.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:55 pm
by ShaneP
I just finished watching Scary Movie(2000).

Don't ask. :(

Watching the credits I noticed ILM's own Todd Vaziri as a compositor at Pixel Magic(where he worked prior to ILM).

Man, between this and Dungeon's and Dragons, he really paid his dues. :D

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: Bond, Craig Bond, and Scary Movie.

PostPosted:Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:37 pm
by ninja turtle
Alita :Battle Angel is a fine movie , one of the Rodriguez best. I don't think it deserves to bomb at the box office. However I'm not familiar with the manga.

Weta's VFX are stunning, not only for the animation of the title carachter, but also for the spectacular work on the city and the other cyborgs. I hope ILM will top this work with one of its next projects.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: Bond, Craig Bond, and Scary Movie.

PostPosted:Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:40 pm
by ShaneP
Alita :Battle Angel is a fine movie , one of the Rodriguez best. I don't think it deserves to bomb at the box office. However I'm not familiar with the manga.

Weta's VFX are stunning, not only for the animation of the title carachter, but also for the spectacular work on the city and the other cyborgs. I hope ILM will top this work with one of its next projects.
One thing and one thing only massively tempers my expectations for this film and his name is Robert Rodriguez. Once Upon a Time in Mexico was the last film of his I enjoyed at all. His willingness to slap anything he shoots up on screen just kills whatever enthusiasm I have for any of his films. El Mariachi, Desperado, and Once Upon a Time....that's it for me from RR.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: Bond, Craig Bond, and Scary Movie.

PostPosted:Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:03 am
by ninja turtle
Alita :Battle Angel is a fine movie , one of the Rodriguez best. I don't think it deserves to bomb at the box office. However I'm not familiar with the manga.

Weta's VFX are stunning, not only for the animation of the title carachter, but also for the spectacular work on the city and the other cyborgs. I hope ILM will top this work with one of its next projects.
One thing and one thing only massively tempers my expectations for this film and his name is Robert Rodriguez. Once Upon a Time in Mexico was the last film of his I enjoyed at all. His willingness to slap anything he shoots up on screen just kills whatever enthusiasm I have for any of his films. El Mariachi, Desperado, and Once Upon a Time....that's it for me from RR.
It's more controlled and less over the top than the usual Rodriguez 's stuff. Also, it's quite violent for a pg 13. You can spot the typical director's signatures in the action sequences , but overall the Cameron's influence is evident.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:28 am
by Kmart
my extreme (add as many exclamation points as possible to that) disappointment with Daniel Craig's seeming lifelong gig ruining James Bond
Yeah, buddy! :cheers:
as badly as Roger Moore
WHAT?!?! :evil:
I defy you Tyler Mirage to name ONE Roger Moore Bond that was as good as any of the Connery's, even that one-not James Bond that was really a James Bond-Never Say Never Again.

Ginger Bond's dont compare. It's sad but true. Moore is better than Craig though. I will say that. The Craig Bonds seemed intent on following the The Bourne Identity formula rather than the superior Connery Bonds. I enjoy the Craig Bonds as their own thing but they all have weak, non-memorable, villains and Craig always looks like he just walked out of an MMA fight ring after getting his ass whooped by Ken Shamrock.
Bond just got bumped back again, this time from Valentine's Day 2020 to April; maybe the newest rewriter (from BOURNE, sadly) is going to downplay the romance angle?

I do think the new director is an excellent choice, along with the FIRST MAN cinematographer (I very much liked his FIRST MAN work and thought his shooting of BATTLE OF THE SEXES was phenomenal.) So far as I know, they kept Danny Boyle's production designer after he left, which might be okay, though I think Gassner did a pretty good job of touching on the Ken Adam spirit, especially for QUANTUM. I just SO want the Craig era to be over with, but I gotta admit, Craig or not, I would like to see a new Bond movie that I could actually enjoy. So yeah, I'm feeling the 'let yourself get suckered despite expectation' thing yet again, which doesn't happen even with Trek movies anymore for me.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: One streaming service to rule them all: Criterion Channel!

PostPosted:Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:33 pm
by TylerMirage
I defy you Tyler Mirage to name ONE Roger Moore Bond that was as good as any of the Connery's, even that one-not James Bond that was really a James Bond-Never Say Never Again.

Ginger Bond's dont compare. It's sad but true. Moore is better than Craig though. I will say that. The Craig Bonds seemed intent on following the The Bourne Identity formula rather than the superior Connery Bonds. I enjoy the Craig Bonds as their own thing but they all have weak, non-memorable, villains and Craig always looks like he just walked out of an MMA fight ring after getting his ass whooped by Ken Shamrock.
Firstly, I like my Bond to have a sense of fun. Connery was too busy taking himself seriously as the icon of infallible male perfection, while Moore’s was more tongue-in-cheek and leagues closer to an actual human being with a heart, vs. Sean Connery’s ME BIG MACHO MALE MAN NO EMOTIONS mid-20th century caricature of a “man”.

The Spy Who Loved Me is probably the best of Moore’s outings as Bond, and one of the better Bond films in general. There's a great scene where Bond is having to admit to Anya that he killed her lover, and Moore had a few scenes like that in his run where the gravity of the situation is made all the better by Moore's usual chipper attitude being replaced by a grave seriousness. The whole film is also an interesting nod to detente in which the Soviets, British, and Americans are presented as not being all that different, and should pool their resources against a common enemy, in this case the megalomaniacal Stromberg. With Stromberg, it's the first example of having a villain that's not motivated by money or influence (like SPECTRE always was), but someone who actually has a set of ideals and enough dislike of mankind to follow through on them, which opens the door for a lot more frightening scenarios and higher stakes for Bond. And this threat can be seen in how Moore interacts with him; notably at the end when he finally shoots Stromberg: it's one of the only times where he does NOT give a clever quip at the end. He's just happy the SOB is dead.

On the subject of detente, Moore's movies delve into that a couple of times. Octopussy has flaws, but the overall plot of one Soviet general trying to provoke a war is countered by the minister of Defense and literally every other Russian being like "Dude, that's dumb. Don't do that." It tries to present a more human and multi-faceted view of the Soviets than Connery's films ever really did (though, in fairness, he never really seemed to directly deal with the Russians as much as Moore did)

Another good moment for The Spy Who Loved Me: when Bond and Anya are doing the usual spy back-and-forth of showing how much they know about the other, Anya starts getting a one-up on Bond when he mentions his marriage to Teresa, and Moore hastily says "You've made your point." It shows that he still has a sore spot on that without dwelling on it too much or giving it an over-acting angry scene like Craig probably would have. Also worth comparing Moore's low-key but still sincere love of Teresa to Connery in Diamonds Are Forever. Connery starts the movie on a murderous rampage to get revenge for her murder, but the moment he gets (fake) Blofeld, he never refers back to Teresa or shows any real depth towards the subject. His take on the set-up was just to present Bond as a man who always gets his revenge, and cannot/will not show any vulnerabilities, as per the 1960s code of manly male machismo.

But all of that^ pales in comparison to the fact that Roger Moore’s Bond also fought ninjas, defeated a zombie, tamed a tiger and then finally went to space in what is probably the greatest balls-out crazy James Bond adventure of all time: Moonraker. Things that Connery Bond cannot boast. ;)

And despite my defense of Moore, he’s actually not even my #1 favourite. That honour goes to Brosnan. With all of that said, though, we can at least agree on Craig being at the bottom.

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Re: General Movie Thread: Now: Bond, Craig Bond, and Scary Movie.

PostPosted:Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:24 am
by Kmart
It's cool we agree about Craig, but we'll never see eye-to-eye about Connery. I'll try to dig up a Shatner quote about Connery's work as Bond that I found really specific and accurate and post it tomorrow (it is in that RETURN TO TOMORROW book.)

Also as revealed in BONDAGE magazine, a fan on a set visit to DIAMONDS found that Bond was supposed to make a large point of Tracy's murder during the Whyte House penthouse scene, and was astonished with the final cut leaving all of that out (he's the guy who wound up owning the bathosub for a number of years, i think), so the Burt-Reynoldsing of Bond apparently starting happening in DAF, even before Moore came on, and apparently at the producers' discretion.

Personally I find the Stromberg execution grotesque, and tonally out of place in any Bond movie (wasting four bullets on the guy, first two in the crotch, sounds more in keeping with Chuck Norris), but especially a lightweight Moore film. Stromberg was always intended to be SPECTRE (I saw Moore on Merv Griffin right before it began filming and he mentioned SPECTRE very specifically), and was changed just at the start of shooting due to valid lawsuits, so I've always viewed it as SPECTRE and Blofeld without the cat. And I actually flinch-laughed at the Bond/Anya scene, which is what I've done when faced with any 'acting' by Moore that doesn't go heavily comedic. Only exception would be the 'eat the heroin' scene in THE WILD GEESE, which old Rog delivers with some genuine gusto, and is for me his career highlight, along with his impersonation of Clouseau, which was phenomenally funny.

Re: General Movie Thread: Now: Bond, Craig Bond, and Scary Movie.

PostPosted:Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:13 am
by Kmart
Here's that Shatner quote about Connery, one of the rare times I can believe he was a MENSA guy:

I'll tell you someone who has never gotten the credit he deserves, and that is Sean Connery. I happened to see two of the James Bond pictures recently on television [AM THINKING THESE WERE FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE and GOLDFINGER, AS I RECALL THOSE AIRING EARLY AND MID 79 ON ABC] , and I watched them carefully, and I realized the extent of his achievement. Even the first time through, it was such an extravagant production, but I was struck by how real and how valid Connery's performances are with what could be leaden dialogue, as we have seen in the hands of other performers. Other actors have made it not only leaden but also self-mocking. He never mocked himself in the playing, he was always playing it as though it was the most real, valid situation that he found himself in, whether it was with the girls of the bizarre villains, he took it all very seriously, but himself humorously as 007 -- never Sean Connery mocking himself. And that's not always the case with some of the other people who have done Bond movies.